In an episode recorded before IFA and the Apple iPhone 6 / Apple Watch announcements the team answers listeners' questions in a 'bonus' end of season special.
the future of Microsoft; and
platform preferences if the 'app gap' wasn't a thing.
Ben: Hello, welcome to the 361 Degrees end of Season 7 question and answer special. My name's Ben Smith from Wireless Worker.
Ewan: I'm Ewan from Mobile Industry Review.
Rafe: And I'm Rafe from the All About sites.
Ben: Hello, gents. It's a special bonus episode to celebrate the end of Season 7, and we haven't taken any questions this season from the audience.
Ewan: Have we not?
Ben: Well, we haven't really responded to any comments or taken questions from the audience.
Ewan: Oh, in the podcast ... yeah.
Ben: Not so much.
Ewan: Apart from the ‘tool’ guy.
Ben: Now, you need to leave that, all right?
Ewan: Thanks, Mike.
Ewan: Thanks a lot.
Rafe: Let it go, Ewan.
Ben: Let it go.
Ewan: Thanks a lot, man.
Ben: What we did was we put out a note on Twitter and said hey, ask us questions. You know what they did? They only went and bleedin’ sent us some questions. In the next half an hour, we are going to rattle through as many questions received as quickly as possible.
Ewan: This is the bonus episode.
Ben: Bonus episode, yeah. Actually, this is episode 99 in the life span of 361 podcasts. We are very much on the approach now to episode 100, which we should start planning soon. Anyway, onwards and upwards. Rafe Blandford, why don't you ask us the first question what was sent in?
Rafe: This is a great question from Steven DeSouza via Twitter. What are your current phones and would they change in the near future? Ewan?
Ewan: Right, okay, yes, so my current phone is the iPhone 5s. That will be changing to the 6, probably both of them, the big and the small one, if the rumors are to be believed. I also am using an HTC One (M8) and the LG G3. I've just finished a month using the LG G3. I also have the Nokia Lumia 930 that I haven't used that anger yet. That's me.
Ben: Rafe Blandford?
Rafe: I'm currently using the Lumia 930, that lovely orange one that I blinded Ben with in an earlier episode. Like most normal people, I don't actually just have one phone.
Ben: Of course.
Rafe: I'm also using an iPhone 5s as a work device. I've got an HTC One (M8) as my Android device. I'm hankering after maybe changing that to the new Nexus device when that comes out so I can be current with Android L. The iPhone 6, I'm not that interested in that.
Ewan: You need to have one?
Rafe: If I can even get OS8 on my 5s's, they're going to have do something interesting to make me upgrade.
Ewan: No, no. You know what they're going to do. You can upgrade it, they'll put a little flag in it to say, remember, make it slower.
Rafe: Something like that. I've also been using a whole bunch of low end devices. I can't really call them my device. I'm using them to educate myself. What has struck me is there's a smaller difference than there ever used to be between the high and the low end.
There's still a bit of a problem on Android if you're below 2GB and start pushing device, you feel it. I do think that's been new trended. Personally, if I was not obsessed by mobile, probably all those listening to this, I would settle for a mid-tier device if that would be perfectly usable and provide me with a more than good enough experience.
Ewan: Very sensible.
Ben: I'm using a 5s, iPhone 5s, at the moment. I've been using iPhones now for a while. It's my primary device. I use a bunch of different Android devices, but that's because I'm in an environment where I'm testing Android software because we make it.
Ewan: Such as?
Ben: In the cupboard, we've got s4's, s3's. I think we've got a couple of s5's knocking around. In my bag, right now, I've got ... what's that very old Xperia? What was the first ... the Xperia Z? Which we use for older testing.
I'd never settled on having an Android phone. Ever since the original G1, you know, the sort where you slide out, I've never settled on having an Android phone as a daily driver. Actually, the other one I've got in the bag right now is the Palm Pre.
Ewan: Have you actually done anything with that or has it just sat there?
Ben: No, it's got SIM in; it's got my work SIM in. It takes calls. At the moment, the most productive thing I do with it is email.
Rafe: On that keyboard?
Ben: It's not a great keyboard, but I like the UI. I love navigating around the UI. If it had survived, I think that would have been such a great thing. It's a novelty, but I like to have that. Dom Travers got in touch with me to ask a follow up question. Dom, I think he's being slightly confrontational, but, you know ...
Ewan: Bring it on.
Ben: Bring it on, Dom.
Rafe: We'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Ewan: Bring it on, Travers.
Ben: When is one of you going to use an Android device seriously, proper ROM, no OEM or carrier nonsense.
Ewan: Wait a minute. That needs to be translated. Blandford, come on, translate that.
Ben: What he means is, when are you going to use Android that everyone comments and tweets us to say that we should be using whenever we complain about, for example, your G3 having software problems?
Ewan: I said using Android is excruciating. It's ridiculous. Then, people such as Dominic Travers here, come onto Twitter and onto Mobile Industry Review and say please use a proper stripped down Android device, which no one else on the planet is using, Dominic. This is the point.
Rafe: I think that might be a slight exaggeration. I'm assuming this a pure Google device.
Ewan: I see what you mean, but Dominic, I want to see how bad it is and it's shocking. I think it's all right of Dominic to say hey guys, it's very nice. Over here, the grass is green, but if you strip down Android, get rid of all the nonsense and tailor it correctly, it can be a nice experience.
I got the G3 working a lot better by switching everything off, all the cool stuff, absolutely everything cool that it does, all the animations, everything. I switched all that off. You have to enable a special mode on the phone to do this. It has significantly degraded the 600 quid's worth of value, but it does work better.
Rafe: You can also talk about the Google Nexus devices. I think with Android L, the introduction of Android 1 will see that become more ... this is the idea that Google is going to do reference designs and then be responsible for the software updates for a whole bunch of low end and mid-tier phones, particularly from the Chinese and the Indian manufacturers.
I think that might address that kind of Android paying point. Honestly, I'd also say, Dominic, some of the stuff that manufacturers do is very nice. I quite like what HTC since has done to the M8.
Ewan: The blink feed and, yeah.
Rafe: Its blink feed and a lot of the HTC specific applications are better than what you get with stock Android, in my view. That value proposition is a tricky one to address. These phone manufacturers are still putting stuff on there.
Ben: I love this, have this conversation. They go, "Oh, you shouldn't iPhone 'cause it's so restrictive and limited. I could never live with that. You need to use Android." You say, "But Android's horrible and ruined by the OEMs." "No, if you choose one of these 2 precise devices and then spend 6 weeks customizing it, then it can be really" ... no.
Rafe: Don't forget you need to put SwiftKey on it.
Ewan: Which, by the way, is on the G3 as standard.
Ben: Joking aside, if I was buying a device for me and tailoring it for me, then I would do precisely what Dom says, but I can't because I need to be aware of what people in the real world are using. Let's face it, Nexus devices are not mass market, huge volume sellers.
Secondly, why should I bother because other manufacturers and other platforms, and I don't just mean iPhone. Windows phone does a good job of this as well, works pretty well out of the box.
Rafe: Just to complicate this, we've got non-Google Android phones, the open source ones coming in. They're going outsell or get close to outselling standard with Google Android phones. It's a problem that still exists for Android. We should move on to our ...
Ben: Before we do, Dominic said go and get a Motorola G.
Rafe: It's a great recommendation for a mid-tier phone. I've been really impressed by the Motorola G.
Ben: I'm going to go and do that. I'm going to go try it.
Rafe: Moving on to a kind of ecosystems topic. We've heard, and I'm going to mispronounce this, Oh Kah Leong, also via Twitter, has said to us if 3 app stores were all the same in quality and quantity, which mobile OS would we choose? I think we could take this up if there was no app gap or that kind of service gap between the 3 platforms, which mobile OS would you choose?
Ben: First of all, I'd say that I don't think quantity matters. I know it's now become sort of parity bit of research. If I look at my own usage and what I've put on the home screen, even though I'm supposedly spending all day, everyday working in mobile, I still would just use the same 5 or 6 key apps that everyone else does.
It's rare for a new app to make it in to daily use. For me, it's about quality. I would probably still choose Apple. Perhaps I'm grumpily intolerant of stuff that doesn't work well and that's the ecosystem that majors on things working reliably.
Ewan: Do you know what? I think I'm the same.
Ben: You're supposed to be the contrary one.
Rafe: I would sacrifice the app gap thing because I do use Windows Phone as my primary device most of the time.
Ben: It's more a religious thing with you though, isn't it?
Rafe: You could say that. The things that matter to me more are the way the software, the platform fits together and does things consistently. I think we've said before as a group, the reason we like iOS Windows Phone is because it's a case of less is more sometimes. The quantity of the apps doesn't matter.
Clearly, service components do matter as well. The other reason that puts me off Android is because it's a cloud connected device, particularly with the more recent versions of Android. If you don't have a good connection on Android devices, utility becomes less. I think iOS ...
Ewan: Battery becomes better.
Rafe: It does. iOS and Windows Phone, by their nature, are more offline platforms.
Ben: I think that's a function of relatively well they are at this snap shot in time though. I think the other ecosystems will suffer or benefit from that to the same extent sooner or later.
Rafe: I do think there's a philosophical difference in that Apple is trying to do more on the device and Google is trying to do more on the cloud.
Ben: That's because Apple sells hardware and Google sells clouds.
Rafe: That's exactly why. That does matter for me. I'm often in places where connectivity isn't great.
Ben: What's playing here is that none of us are waiting for one platform to improve to the point where we can jump over to it. We've all settled on our platforms. Even if they changed as Oh Kah Leong asks, I'm going to say we wouldn't change.
Rafe: I agree.
Ben: There's a follow up question there though. Google dominates mobile browser search, so why is it allowed to continue the dominance? There's 2 ways you can interpret "allowed." One is, from a regulatory point of view, literally legally was it went allowed, that's because it tiptoes along the line of regulator controls, which always lag so much the real market.
I don't think that they're doing anything uncompetitive. It's often times it's just that they're so taken advantage of being early into the market. In terms of allowed, Rafe, consumers don't mind this. They want to have limited ecosystem generally, don't they?
Rafe: Most consumers don't object to that kind of lock-in. You don't notice it until you've tried to escape from it. Google's got there because it's search is better than anything else out there. How it's got into mobile, it did that by being the first mover on low cost smart phone, perhaps when you're giving Android away for free.
The point about regulatory relations, I think probably going to see changes in the next 5 years. Partly, we've seen a left wing parliamentary shift in the European parliament. Europe is going to probably be much tougher on a regulatory point of view. Google, in the next few years, because of the recent elections, how big an impact will that have?
It's difficult to know because, obviously, one of the trends we've seen in Silicon Valley is the idea of tech companies wanting to become almost unregulated, independent from the idea of being controlled by a state. That's something that Google and other tech companies are pushing.
Honestly, it's the thing that probably gives me most concern for the future of those tech companies. They want to get away from having to obey people's laws.
The tax more ties in to that kind of thing. This is what happens; duopolies and monopolies do get established. It's the way of the business world. It's one of the rather, depending on your point of view, attractive or unattractive facets of capitalism.
Ewan: Good, let's go on to the next question from Mr Ilicco Ella. Where will we see the future of TVs going in regard to smart phones and apps? That's an interesting one there. Ben, how are you getting on with your smart television?
Ben: I use the built in apps to ...
Ewan: Really? Is that a Samsung you've got?
Ben: Yes, I've got a Samsung smart TV. I use the built in apps to view media streaming services.
Ewan: Like Netflix?
Ben: I don't have a Netflix subscription at the moment. I use each one of the 5 main terrestrial broadcasters in the UK have their own streaming app, including iPlayer, which is the most famous one with the BBC. We use all of those services.
Ewan: Is a lot of it crap?
Ben: It doesn't matter. It's got a crude TV guide. You find the program you want to watch; you press go and then the screen's filled up with an HD image of the video. It's not as good as it is on an iPad, let's say, but it's good enough.
Ewan: I like the Apple TV because that's a, I feel, like a nicer experience.
Ben: The point is that I don't use any of the other apps. I don't install stuff out of their store. We don't use their OnTV media purchasing service. We don't get into the Samsung ecosystem.
Ewan: We simply use Apple TV or Sky, that's it. We don't use any of the Sony apps at all.
Ben: I bet you've got a fully fledged Sony TV with an app store and an ecosystem.
Ewan: You can't really buy one without that now. They give it to you. I don't want that.
Rafe: I'm not sure I agree with Ben. I want to believe that the biggest screen in your home is going to be used for something more than just watching content. I think part of the problem is, at the moment, people associate TV so heavily with content, specifically, broadcast content. I think the rise of on demand content may start to introduce the idea of apps or the fact you can do something else with your TV and sort of public consciousness.
I think those screens will become largely dumb. The mirrored content will come from elsewhere. That could be a set top box. In the UK, we've got Sky where you could look at cable providers. Then, there's the idea of Chromecast and Miracast, Apple TV taking content off your mobile device and displaying on the screen.
Ewan: Okay, then, right. Let's move on to the Rafe questions.
Ben: Special Rafe section of the podcast now.
Ewan: That's right. Richard Yates via Twitter says, "I would like some commentary on where the Microsoft Phones are going forward?"
Ben: Actually, Ewan, I think the funniest thing would be if we don't let Rafe answer this section.
Ewan: That's a good idea.
Ben: No Rafe input at all.
Ewan: Sit over there.
Ben: He's already squirming and looking uncomfortable.
Ewan: Rafe, you can have a sentence at the end of these questions, right? Richard says, "I would like some commentary on where Microsoft Phones are going forward. Is it the end or not, given that they bought over Nokia? What the hell's moving?" Ben, what do you think?
Ben: I think Microsoft, in for a penny, they're in for a pound.
Ewan: They're in for another 5 billion, basically.
Ben: There is a future of Microsoft Phones, but the future is because they're going to keep investing and pushing.
Ewan: They're going to have to.
Ben: I also think, much as I like winding up Rafe, that they are now not arguing that they're the third ecosystem.
Ben: They are definably the third ecosystem. Blackberry and some of the other competitors have crumbled and/or failed or been beaten depending on your view. In some places, they're getting enough of a foothold. It's going to be worth their while.
Ewan: There's life there.
Ben: There's life there, but it's going to be fueled and funded by a lot of Microsoft money. I imagine they're enthusiasm for investing that money will depend on their other businesses and how much of a cash cow they are.
Ewan: Okay, Blandford, one sentence from you please.
Ben: Thank you very much. That's excellent. Next question. Give him a say; go on.
Rafe: I think, as Ben says, Microsoft won't give up any time soon. Some of the moves they've made, in terms of dumping Series 40 and Asha, a brave and, especially in the short term, some people find a bit confusing, but they're basically placing all their bets on Windows Phone. That's what they need to do. That's the space where they need to be competitive. It's where it fits in with their core vision.
A lot of it is going to depend on how much they can integrate it with the rest of the Microsoft ecosystem and persuade people. There's an advantage to having a Windows Phone. It connects and works better with the Microsoft services. That's going to be very much working against the fact that the company, as a whole, will be making its services generally available on mobile.
Ewan: Cut out that, Ben, 'cause that wasn't a sentence. That was a paragraph.
Ben: Richard also asks are we going to see another good camera phone from Microsoft? Rafe, yes or no.
Ewan: I think that depends on a number of factors.
Ben: Right, well, we're tight for time, so give us a sentence.
Ben: I agree. I think they're growing a massive investment in cameras. Although, interestingly, I can't imagine that Microsoft are going to push imaging as hard as Nokia did. It would seem to be much more part of the Nokia identify, imaging, than it will be with Microsoft.
Ewan: They have broken through though with people going, oh, yes, the PureView, very good.
Rafe: The key thing here is that all imaging on smart phones is going to be much better than it was in the future. The idea of a good enough camera is going to be on every device. The need for the truly specialist devices becomes less apparent.
Let's move on to the next question, which is about big phones. We've had questions from both James Norton and Mr Leoni via Twitter here, asking about the trend on large phones. We're talking phablets here. Is this the result of the companies doing market research or have people just gone, or the manufacturers just gone nuts.
I think James Norton put this the best way. "Was it a supply of big phones or demand for them resulting in this?" There's no question that the phablets are here. If you look at some recent research, you define phablets as being anything above 5 inches.
Ben: I know I like to.
Rafe: By the end of next year, they will account for more than half of smart phone sales, which is pretty amazing when you think about the standard, until a few years ago, was 4 inches or below 4 inches.
Ewan: Okay, I'll answer that by saying ...
Ben: Chicken or egg thing, yeah.
Ewan: ... chicken or egg. I think it was the egg.
Ben: Which is, in this particular metaphor ...
Ewan: Actually, no, I mean they knocked out a big massive one and thought let's have a look. What is that, the Dell Streak? Do you remember the Dell Streak? 7 inches was it?
Ben: Yeah, but that was a tablet not a phone though, was it?
Rafe: It was a tablet.
Ben: It was a tablet. It couldn't make calls. I'm not quibbling about the terminology. You couldn't make calls.
Ewan: Yeah, sorry, right. That was one of the first I remember.
Ben: I thought this was the Samsung thing of throw a million factors at the wall and see what happens. I don't think there was a demand for huge phones that you could've clearly identified. Maybe you could've seen some indications, but they built a ton of different form factors.
This one has been surprise hit. Now, all the manufacturers are going to milk it for as long as it's popular. I guess the question is, is it a fad because everything's changing as we introduce more device types and form factors or is that what smart phones are now?
Ewan: It's related to battery I think. Are we, as consumers, demanding big batteries in our phones? Obviously not otherwise the manufacturers will be putting in 5,000 million massively 1 inch thick phones.
Rafe: Personally, I see the trends for large smart phones, phablets in particular, as partly a consequence of wanting to do more with your phone in particular around media consumption. It's a trend that's been happening for a while. When you look back to the non-touch screen smart phones, they had screens, you know, 1.5 inches and upwards.
The standard was probably around 2 and a half inches. With the move to touch, that went to 3 to 4 inches. There's been a continuous trend for making the screen a little bit bigger. I wouldn't identify phablets as being a particularly new trend; it's the extension of that getting the screen bigger and bigger.
Ben: It struck me you don't use phones for making calls anymore. You use it for apps. Therefore, that's driven the larger screen size. You need to be able to ... more complicated the apps are, the more you need screen to interact with them or display data.
Ewan: We see the small trend for compact versions of the Sony.
Ben: Those mini version aren't selling well at all, are they?
Ewan: That shows you something. That's telling the manufacturers not to bother.
Rafe: That's been a recurring theme. People like the idea of mini phones, but when it comes to it, they seem to be buying the big ones. To go back to the original question, manufacturers did do the research. They knew that people wanted bigger phones. That's only been reinforced by consumer demand. There is a choice to have the smaller phones.
You'd have to make a sacrifice maybe on battery life or functionality. Even where there's been equality in terms of exactly the same hardware, just a bit smaller, people are still choosing the bigger ones. The trade off is such that that bigger screen is worth having because it does make that whole app use and media consumption easier.
Ben: People don't have a whole array of phones in their house where they pick up the one. You buy the one that you think covers the most scenarios even if on some occasions it's too big or too fragile or whatever.
Ewan: From a contract standpoint. Here in the UK, if you walk into a store and the guy says, "You want the small one or the big one? It's the same price," more or less.
Ben: The big one, absolutely. Okay, let's keep moving on then.
Rafe: Reached our And Finally section
Ben: We're to the And Finally section. That felt like it went very quickly. Let's keep going. Stefan Constantinescu, a friend of the show, also ...
Ewan: Hi, Stefan.
Ben: ... one of the 2 men behind the Voicemail podcast, which you should immediately go and subscribe to. It is jolly good and they do weekly news about mobile tech, which I enjoy very much.
Ewan: He's also the founder of Tab Dump.
Ben: Yes, you should go to TabDump.com and you should, as I have done, subscribe.
Ewan: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ben: Give him some money to support him in an excellent curated news website.
Ewan: I haven't given money yet.
Ben: Pull your finger out and do it because it's jolly good.
Ewan: I need to do it.
Ben: Stefan deserves to ... he doesn't have kids, just eat. I was going to say give his kids shoes or whatever.
Ben: Okay, anyway, he is a friend of the show. He says, "If you weren't covering mobile, what would you be covering?"
Ewan: Okay, I can answer that, actually.
Ben: Go on.
Ewan: I also monitor the Pursuit of Quality.
Ben: Wouldn't you say run?
Ben: I'm pretty sure I'm subscribed to it.
Ewan: Well, thank you. I haven't done that much. That's the point, right?
Ben: It's curated so well and so selectively that only the finest posts make it out on the internet.
Ewan: It's been a little while, dear listeners, but do check out the Pursuit of Quality when you're bored.
Ben: For those who aren't already familiar with it, what is it?
Ewan: It's me chatting about things that I like and appreciate, the devices, services, products.
Ben: Best of the best.
Ewan: Exactly. Exactly, like sausage rolls. I have done some extensive research in discovering what are the best sausage rolls that you can buy.
Ben: I can't believe I wasn't invited to the reviews.
Ewan: It was wicked; it was excellent. The answer's donaldrussell.com. It's Scottish, but truly some fantastic ones, some wicked photos. They're on the episode quality website. If you do Pursuit of Quality sausage rolls, you'll find it.
Ben: Rafe Blandford?
Rafe: The first expression is things outside mobile that really exist 'cause mobile's everywhere and impacts on everything. The more serious answer ...
Ewan: Hallelujah, brother.
Rafe: Exactly, amen.
Rafe: The more serious answer to that is I think I'd probably be covering environmental issues, which is something I do touch on occasionally.
Ben: Rafe came up with a sensible, worthwhile answer.
Ewan: An environmentalist.
Ben: Some nonsense about sausage rolls and Rafe's saving the planet.
Rafe: I'm basically a closet tree hugger if the truth be known. Probably something to do with growing up in the countryside.
Ewan: With the estate.
Ben: Growing up.
Rafe: You 2 are on form today.
Rafe: What about you, Ben? Are you going to come up with a solid, considerate answer?
Ben: I wouldn't know.
Rafe: I can mock you now?
Ben: You can, absolutely, indeed.
Rafe: I'm too much of a gentleman to do that or busy hugging trees.
Ewan: Too busy, yes.
Ben: Let go of that tree. I suppose outside of mobile, and it is somewhat all consuming, I used to be a musician many moons ago.
Ewan: You are kidding us.
Ben: No, I did. I used to be a musician.
Ewan: What did you play? Drums.
Ben: I played drums. I played orchestral percussion. I was a flautist and pianist.
Ewan: Say that again.
Ben: Flautist, a bloke what plays the flute. The other thing is, and this is a sort of a closet interest, is I like fountain pens very much.
Ewan: I didn't know this. Did you know this?
Rafe: No. Where's your Mont Blanc?
Ben: It's in my bag.
Ewan: Is it a fountain pen?
Ben: Haven't got that one with me.
Ewan: Have you got a Meisterstuck?
Ben: I have at home, yes.
Ewan: Okay, I was about to call him out as a massive fraud.
Ben: You mean Meisterstuck?
Ewan: No, Meisterstuck.
Ben: I like fountain pens, but they don't have to be super expensive, but I've got a couple of different varieties and things. I really like Japanese fountain pens. They make some of the more interesting ones. They're not like super premium. They're nice for writing every day ...
Ewan: You're not winding us up?
Ben: I'm literally not winding you up. The thing is, you go into a meeting and you start to write notes in your notebook. Everyone says you're supposed to be the technology guy. I write my best notes by my hand in a nice notebook with a nice pen and it helps me.
It means I'm thinking about what I'm writing. I also quite enjoy the process of writing. At the end of the meeting, I get my camera out, take a picture. Into overnight it goes and bingo, I can be analog and digital all at the same time and enjoy the best of both worlds.
That's us done. Thank you very much for all your questions. Thank you for everyone who's supported us over Season 7; we've enjoyed it very much. We have been collecting together loads of your survey feedback. We've run out of time in this bonus episode. We were going to do some feedback for you on all that, all the views and opinions that have been shared.
We have had literally hundreds and hundreds of survey responses, which have been absolutely fantastic. Rather than spin it all out in an extended episode, we are going to publish a blog post. I'll print out some summary note to let you all know what you liked, what you didn't like on your opinions. A few surprising ones in there.
I recommend having a quick visit to 361podcast.com where you'll be able to see that post. You can also go back and listen to all of Season 7 and, of course, you can read Season 7 because every single episode has been transcribed ...
Ewan: I like that.
Ben: ... for your viewing, browsing, searching pleasure, which I've thus far has only served purpose for me to prove to Ewan MacLeod that he was wrong when he claimed he didn't say something that he actually said in the podcast.
Ewan: That's just because they're really ... she transcribed incorrectly.
Ben: That was money well spent in my view.
Rafe: It's been a pleasure recording this season and it's not a surprise to say we'll be back sooner rather than later. We promise it won't be a 3 month gap this time.
Ben: Thanks very much and we will be back soon with Season 8 and episode 100.
Rafe: Woo hoo.